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April 30, 2004

A second-generation Indian and his discontents

In SiliconIndia, A second generation Indian American writes about his species.

AS A SECOND-GENERATION Indian freshly graduated from the University of California, Berkeley, I thought I would take this opportunity to reflect briefly on some of the more unusual aspects of the second-generation experience. I should observe, at the outset, that I am not your “typical” second-generation Indian (if such a category can even be said to exist). To the great puzzlement and thinly veiled chagrin of my parents, I decided to study literature and philosophy in college, marking a radical departure from the traditional—and eminently more practical—career paths which many second-generation Indians tend to pursue, such as medicine, law, science, or engineering. But my iconoclasm, as it turns out, runs still deeper. During my time at Berkeley, I noticed two curious phenomena among second-generation Indian students which I have never been able to understand, let alone participate in.

Phenomenon 1: Being “cultural” Within days of setting foot on the Berkeley campus as an impressionable first-year student, I was repeatedly accosted by eager members of Indus, the Indian cultural organization at Berkeley, enthusiastically urging me to join their club. “What does Indus have to offer?” I asked, with an air of skeptical bemusement. Their answer: it’s a way of getting back to your Indian “roots,” appreciating your rich Indian culture. A noble aim, indeed, but does Indus live up to its mission statement? Before long, I discovered what Indus really was: a glorified dating club. As it turned out, getting back to one’s Indian roots was a euphemism for the hopelessly parochial and implicitly (though, for that reason, all the more insidiously) racist agenda of associating only with other Indians. Needless to say, I promptly declined the invitation to join. So long as being “cultural” means nothing more than complacently fraternizing with members of one’s own ethnic background, I remain content appreciating Indian culture in my own way: by, for example, mining the inexhaustible riches of the Bhagavad-Gita and visiting my relatives in India.

Phenomenon 2: The Indian “thug” A second, related—and, perhaps, even more startling—phenomenon among second-generation Indians at Berkeley is the increasingly large number of Indian males who seem to be convinced that they were raised in the “ghetto” (or “’da hood” as they might call it). Strolling through campus on any given day, it is not difficult to spot a group of Indian males sporting backward baseball caps, ostentatious gold chains and earrings, extra-extra-large basketball jerseys, and jeans so baggy that they hang below their underwear. An innocent fashion statement? Perhaps. But it is surely a little strange—if not downright inexplicable—that the children of generally middle-class Indian parents raised in suburbia behave and dress as if they belong in a rap video. If one happened to be eavesdropping, a typical snatch of conversation between these self-proclaimed Indian “thugs” (let’s call them “Rajiv” and “Sanjeet”) might go something like this:

Rajiv: Yo, wuddup dawg!

Sanjeet: Wussup, fool!

Rajiv: Chillin’, chillin’. Yo, I just picked up the new
Dr. Dre album. That sh—’s off the hook!

Sanjeet: Fo’ real, though. Dre is hella tight.

And so on, ad nauseam. But whence this desire to behave like a “thug”? Is it just another case of teenage rebellion against cultural norms? Or is it, perhaps, the result of a deeper phenomenon unique to members of the second-generation: namely, a collective identity crisis? Indeed, the pressing question, Who are we?, looms large among second-generation Indians, and the answer is not a straightforward one.


When someone asks me where I’m from, I invariably hesitate, then proceed to explain that I was born and raised in Boston, but my family is from India. So where does that place me? Apparently, in a hybrid category that resists any neat label, and the term “Indian American” does little justice to this irreducibly complex hybridity.


Faced with this difficult fact, many second-generation Indians have assumed the relatively stable, though disingenuous, identity of a “thug,” while others have retreated into the false solace of “being cultural.” Whatever the causes of these phenomena among second-generation Indians, they are quickly becoming facts to be reckoned with.

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LMAO about the Indian thughs, it's soooo funny and TRUE!!! Raised in suburbia yet ghetto??? Oh my....

Posted by: seyd at April 30, 2004 10:01 AM

As a down to earth Indian American guy, I have NEVER understood the "Indian thug" phenomenon. And it is nothing new either. I am 29 years old, and I remember waaaay back in the 80s when I was in elementary and middle school there were plenty of Indian thugs running around. A lot of these guys can be pretty crazy too. I think it probably has to do with us Indians being people of color, especially since we are generally dark, very dark, sometimes even black skinned people. Indian guys probably want to align themselves with the hyper-masculine behavior of many ghetto Blacks and ghetto Hispanics. That's been my theory since I was like 10 years old back in the 80s. And I'm not talking about simply liking Tupac or something like that, I like 2pac and a lot of rap. Liking rap doesn't make you an embarrassing thug. Infact I know plenty of decent, young Indian engineers, accountants, and medical school students that like rap. But they are like me, middle of the road down to earth young adults. It's these hyper-masculine Indian thugs or arrogant punks that I never understood. WTF is wrong with them, always trying to act like Tyrone from da hood. I didn't understand it when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, and not now as a 29 year old in 2004. How did they get that way if they were raised in the suburbs? Some of them were raised in really nice, posh suburbs too. And what in the world happened to those dudes that were running around acting so hard as 19 year old kids back in 1986? Are they hardcore 37 year olds today? What do the hard Indian teenage kids today think of them (since generally in the 80s and most of the 90s there weren't many Indians as "uncles" or "aunties" raised in America over the age of 30)? The outrageous thing is that generally the Blacks and Hispanics I have met that come from middle or upper middle class backgrounds don't act hyper-masculine. Generally only Indians are so embarrassing to act that way.

Posted by: Zach at September 18, 2004 01:23 AM

You are all arrogant idiots. Kids are going through an identity crisis. As a society (American) so obsessed with individuality, we try to find our roots, try to define ourselves. We live in a western society and when we come home we are in a typical "pseudo-modern" Indian setting. These kids have nobody and nothing to identify with; they are not traditional and yet cannot break their bonds with tradition. Being a foreign student in the past, I've seen and been through some of things that these kids go through. One is never "truly" accepted in society, whether it is a classroom setting or social gathering. No how you look, how intelligent you are, the bottom line is that you are still an Indian. For these kids, they are trying to break that thread that ties them to this "outcast" stereotype. Of course they are pretty stupid to be trying to act like something that they are not, however, they are just trying to "fit" in society. Bad choice but that's the reason.
And yeah thanks for giving us the great example of how a few Indian thugs speak....fool. Bet you know a lot about “Dr DRE”.

Funny how we stereotype people when we ourselves have been a target of stereotypes. As Indians, we love positive stereotypes. May I remind you that every kind of stereotyping is bad?

Posted by: Tariq Summar at December 1, 2005 03:32 AM

whoa buddy [tariq]...if you haven't realized, these kids who act all ghetto and use asian clubs as a secret desi dating club, are all ashamed of their culture...
they aren't looking to adapt to the closest culture they see, they just don't want people to know that they are a part of the indian society...
duh!
and btw, no one cares about dr. dre anymore, you are prolly under the category of whom the writer is writing about.

Posted by: Shalu at May 7, 2006 11:22 AM

Zach: no a fence but you are a moron. NOT all stereotypes are bad, you are getting stigma and sterotyping mixed up. Stigma is never good. Stereotypes are used for people to try to understand how to "act" around individual they have never met before.

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